"younger" older women

topic posted Mon, November 2, 2009 - 1:41 PM by  Christophe
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I get rejected a lot for being too young by girls my own age and a few years older. I'm in this tribe because the age group I'm most attracted to (mid to late 20s) is absolutely not interesting in my (started as a teenager, now early 20s). I mean, I've gone on dates with people up into their 30s, but this tribe seems to be quite skewed to a much older bent. Anyhow have advice for getting past the "you're not older than me, you cannot possibly be mature" reaction I get from a lot of women who know my age before they know me?
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  • Re: "younger" older women

    Mon, November 2, 2009 - 1:48 PM
    Embarass them with your maturity while finding an equally attractive, if not moreso, woman their age to focus on in front of them.

    ~ Kole
  • Re: "younger" older women

    Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:05 PM
    personally, kole's response, in my opinion, is just manipulation, which might get someone into bed, but it's game-playing, and real women don't play games. and any woman who thinks that maturity is a factor of age probably isn't for you anyway.

    to me, the best relationships don't have a lot of discussion about age. have you tried not talking about it? then you can allow someone to get to know you first, and then try to wrap their mind around your age later.

    though there is an age where women are looking at marriage and having kids, and so would be more interested in guys who are a bit more settled with the potential for long-term, so that could be part of it. i'm not sure what you can do about that but be patient and just look for the person you click with. when you click, age is less of a factor.
    • Re: "younger" older women

      Wed, November 4, 2009 - 6:00 PM
      Dressing up is manipulation, particularly when done in an effort to turn a head or two. Creating a scene to demonstrate openly to an individual that is averse to creating the situation themselves is hardly 'game-playing'.

      You're allowing them to see an aspect they've chosen to dismiss as nonexistent, whilst simultaneously demonstrating your options. It's no more 'manipulative' than deliberately -not- to mentioning or hinting at your master's degree, extensive job experience and millionare estate in an effort to make the younger man less intimidated and also 'see if he's really into -you-'.

      It can also open the woman's eyes to opportunities she mistakenly decided were not there. 'Real' women do play games, but not necessarily of the connotation and bend you were imposing onto my suggestion.

      ~ Kole
      • Re: "younger" older women

        Thu, November 5, 2009 - 11:51 AM
        definition of manipulation: Shrewd or devious management, especially for one's own advantage.

        certainly, dressing sexy in order to get someone's attention could be a manipulative act, but not everyone who dresses up is doing it manipulatively, and that's not what we're talking about.

        without a doubt, though, hitting on someone else to make someone else feel drawn to you, is manipulative, and in my opinion, it's disrespectful of the person you're flirting with but aren't actually interested in, as well as the woman who you want to like you. i may be reading more into your suggestion than you intended, but any scenario of "flirt with someone else to get someone to like you" is, to me, a game.

        and again, it is my experience that mature confident women don't play these games. games are for players. lack of game-playing is one of the main things younger guys tell me they like about older women.

        certainly, sometimes it takes a little extra effort to get someone who's skeptical about you, for whatever reason, to give you a chance. my sister, who is 50, was hotly pursued by a guy who was 24 a couple of years ago, and she just could not imagine how that could ever work. he persisted, and they've been together ever since. don't give up, cristophe. if you are truly attracted to someone, that usually trumps all the side issues.

        not talking about certain things is actually simply a social skill. knowing what's appropriate to bring up, and what's not, and waiting for the right time to talk about something, isn't manipulation in my book, at least not in a negative way. choosing when and how to talk about something is an important life skill, in every context. generally, i don't tell people my age unless they ask, or it comes up in the right context. otherwise, it's either immaterial or misleading. really, who cares?
        • Re: "younger" older women

          Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:32 PM
          No. It's called flirting with someone you're attracted to in front of the person in the previously described scenario. You'd flirt with them anyways, but you understand the value of the opportunity to do so when the other is in view, and do so regardless. That -is- manipulative, but only insomuch as putting on a specific style of dress at a specific style of party is 'manipulative'. The term loses its negative connotation when it becomes understood that much of human behavior -is- deliberately manipulative for personal purposes.

          What you're suggesting reeks of desperation and dishonest deliberation on the male's part. Yes, you did read into it too much, as many men read too much into a woman's choice to dress nicely for the man she's dating (or not) for that night.

          No thang but a wang. :) Don't lose sleep over it.

          ~ Kole
    • Re: "younger" older women

      Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:30 PM
      the problem is that i don't get the chance to "not talk about it" because it's already known, and i get the automatic rejection before getting any chance to prove myself different. lots of women have blanket "will not date under x" rules. where x is often even older than the woman in question. i know that once i click, age won't matter, but it's a large barrier to entry, so to speak. my grandmother says i should just lie about my age.
      • Re: "younger" older women

        Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:39 PM
        honestly, if someone is set on only dating guys who are older than them, why pursue them? a woman who has an age requirement has some agenda that makes that seem logical to her, like a woman who won't date a man who doesn't have a lot of money has an agenda that seems logical to her... though to me, both of those women are missing out on some awesome men.

        maybe you could ask one of these women to tell you why she feels age is such a measure of a person's maturity.

        and i think it's good to tell a woman you like "listen, a lot of people judge me because of my age, but i guarantee i am not like anyone else you know, and i don't care about that stuff and hope you don't either" - sometimes a little direct confident encouragement from your side will help.

        it happens in reverse, too, of course. like i said, unless directly asked, i don't bring up my age early in getting to know someone. i recently met a very cool guy, and we hung out at a party/club together for a while, and he asked me to go out to another place with him, and on the way, he told me he was 29, and he asked my age, and when i told him, he totally freaked. it just didn't fit anything he'd ever known before and spun him out a bit.

        the next time we talked, we agreed that i was simply older than dirt, and it's never been brought up again. but i would never lie about it. that isn't in alignment with my philosophy of life, which is that we all should be who we are, and not what we think someone else thinks we should be.

        maybe you can do an experiment and go out somewhere one night, and tell everyone that you're 30, and see if you get more action. ;^)

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